Track Historian Buffs, I have a question for you...
04/01/2013 2:36:17 PM
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Does anyone keep track of total varsity career points scored by individuals in Track? I'm a data freak so I have been doing this for the 10 years I've been coaching but I am wondering if anyone else does this. And, if so, what is a normal good career total? My older boys had between 400 and 500 points for their careers. I know 1,000 points is a big milestone in basketball but I've never seen any threshold or milestone mentioned or talked about in track. And yes, I know many of the elite athletes may not have a lot of points because they focus on one or two events per meet and may not participate in many meets due to their training schedule but the question remains, what is a good threshold for total points. Some of the elite sprinter / jumpers can get 30-40 points per meet at say 8 meets per year so about 1,000 points would be up there. Anyone else keep track of points? Anyone keep a school record of points?
Does anyone keep track of total varsity career points scored by individuals in Track? I'm a data freak so I have been doing this for the 10 years I've been coaching but I am wondering if anyone else does this. And, if so, what is a normal good career total? My older boys had between 400 and 500 points for their careers. I know 1,000 points is a big milestone in basketball but I've never seen any threshold or milestone mentioned or talked about in track.

And yes, I know many of the elite athletes may not have a lot of points because they focus on one or two events per meet and may not participate in many meets due to their training schedule but the question remains, what is a good threshold for total points. Some of the elite sprinter / jumpers can get 30-40 points per meet at say 8 meets per year so about 1,000 points would be up there.

Anyone else keep track of points? Anyone keep a school record of points?
04/01/2013 3:15:52 PM
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I was actually wondering this the other day. But in terms of the State meet only. I figure any solid runner could accumlate points at area All-comers and small Invites. But what about state. I figured over the years an individual has scored 40 points for one state meet, but what about career. Who holds that record Boys and Girls and who is in the top ten, overall, and by class.
I was actually wondering this the other day. But in terms of the State meet only. I figure any solid runner could accumlate points at area All-comers and small Invites. But what about state. I figured over the years an individual has scored 40 points for one state meet, but what about career. Who holds that record Boys and Girls and who is in the top ten, overall, and by class.
04/01/2013 9:48:07 PM
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The first person I thought of was Emma Brink, so I looked up her state meet results and she totaled 98 points over her four years at Sacred Heart.
The first person I thought of was Emma Brink, so I looked up her state meet results and she totaled 98 points over her four years at Sacred Heart.
04/01/2013 10:41:57 PM
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I looked at the people i presumed have been my top scorers at State and came up with Rosalind Goodwin c/o 2001 61 pts, Jordan Wagenseller c/o 2002 64.75 pts, Katrina Graves c/o 2000 67 pts and Denasha Mondy c/o 2003 130.75 pts. Denasha had 2 seasons where she scored 40 points. Lady Bruins won 3 titles in the four years she ran. Just now thought id better get a tab for Lutisha Bowen and Jazzmin Jeter. Tish only had one title that I can recall but had a lot of second place finishes. OK....Lutisha Bowen c/o 2008 92pts 9 runner up spots and 1 state title in 100H in 2008
I looked at the people i presumed have been my top scorers at State and came up with Rosalind Goodwin c/o 2001 61 pts, Jordan Wagenseller c/o 2002 64.75 pts, Katrina Graves c/o 2000 67 pts and Denasha Mondy c/o 2003 130.75 pts. Denasha had 2 seasons where she scored 40 points. Lady Bruins won 3 titles in the four years she ran. Just now thought id better get a tab for Lutisha Bowen and Jazzmin Jeter. Tish only had one title that I can recall but had a lot of second place finishes. OK....Lutisha Bowen c/o 2008 92pts 9 runner up spots and 1 state title in 100H in 2008
04/02/2013 5:43:28 AM
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Two events only. Shot and disc. Four state championships. 67 state points Amashi-Kendall
Two events only. Shot and disc.

Four state championships.

67 state points

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04/02/2013 7:22:11 AM
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First athlete that came to my mind is Michaela Hunter from Rockcastle Co. She currently has 110 total points earned at the state meet with another year to add to that. Add to that the diversity of the events she's scored in. Here's the breakdown: 1600 = 10 3200 = 8 400 = 34 200 = 12 Long Jump = 22 Triple Jump = 24
First athlete that came to my mind is Michaela Hunter from Rockcastle Co. She currently has 110 total points earned at the state meet with another year to add to that. Add to that the diversity of the events she's scored in. Here's the breakdown:
1600 = 10
3200 = 8
400 = 34
200 = 12
Long Jump = 22
Triple Jump = 24
04/02/2013 7:45:15 AM
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@cbeckerson Adrienne Hundemer Dayton- Jonathan has 110 points documented from 1991-1994 in individual events. I believe she also ran on winning relay teams those years which would add another 12.5 points, plus she racked up some state titles in junior high but Jonathan hasn't gotten those years posted for Class A girls. http://ky.milesplit.com/athletes/63105-adrienne-hundemer
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Adrienne Hundemer Dayton- Jonathan has 110 points documented from 1991-1994 in individual events. I believe she also ran on winning relay teams those years which would add another 12.5 points, plus she racked up some state titles in junior high but Jonathan hasn't gotten those years posted for Class A girls.
http://ky.milesplit.com/athletes/63105-adrienne-hundemer
04/02/2013 9:13:19 AM
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@official Looked her career up to get exact points 120 + 17.5 for relays = 137.5 19 state titles 12 individual 7 relays 100 Hurdles 91-94 (4) 400m 91-94 (4) 300 Hurdles 90-92, 94 (4) 4x4 90-94 (5) (they also won in 89 not sure if she was on the squad, she did not medal individually that year) 4x2 90,93 (2)
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Looked her career up to get exact points 120 + 17.5 for relays = 137.5

19 state titles

12 individual
7 relays

100 Hurdles
91-94 (4)

400m
91-94 (4)

300 Hurdles
90-92, 94 (4)

4x4
90-94 (5) (they also won in 89 not sure if she was on the squad, she did not medal individually that year)

4x2
90,93 (2)
04/02/2013 9:27:48 AM
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@cbeckerson Randy Wyatt probably has the most. His senior year is missing off the state meet results but may total more than 150 points.
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Randy Wyatt probably has the most. His senior year is missing off the state meet results but may total more than 150 points.
04/02/2013 10:01:59 AM
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@official I thought he played baseball his senior year and did not run track.
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I thought he played baseball his senior year and did not run track.
04/02/2013 10:38:10 AM
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@jonathan Yep, forgot about that. Still 110 points in individuals plus relays.
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Yep, forgot about that. Still 110 points in individuals plus relays.
04/02/2013 12:11:27 PM
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Sharika Smith Destroys the competition 155 Points Kentucky State Track Meet >> May 30, 2003-May 31, 2003 300 Meter Hurdles 46.53 SB 4th Finals 5 200 Meter Dash 26.63 SB 3rd Finals 6 Kentucky State Track Meet >> June 04, 2004-June 05, 2004 400 Meter Dash 58.7 1st Finals 10 200 Meter Dash 25.99 SB 1st Finals 10 100 Meter Dash 12.69 SB 1st Finals 10 Long Jump 16-6.5 SB 2nd Finals NWI 8 Kentucky State Track Meet >> June 03, 2005-June 04, 2005 Triple Jump 39-0 SB 1st Finals NWI 10 200 Meter Dash 25.53 1st Finals NWI 10 Kentucky State Track Meet >> June 02, 2006-June 03, 2006 Long Jump 16-6.5 1st Finals NWI 10 Triple Jump 37-7.25 1st Finals NWI 10 Kentucky State Track Meet >> June 01, 2007-June 02, 2007 100 Meter Dash 12.32 1st Finals 0.1 10 200 Meter Dash 24.82 1st Finals 0.9 10 Long Jump 17-11.25 1st Finals 0.1 10 Triple Jump 39-3.25 1st Finals NWI 10 Kentucky State Track Meet >> May 30, 2008-May 31, 2008 Long Jump 17-10.75 1st Finals NWI 10 200 Meter Dash 26.17 3rd Finals -1.7 6 300 Meter Hurdles 45.09 PR 1st Finals 10
Sharika Smith Destroys the competition

155 Points

Kentucky State Track Meet >> May 30, 2003-May 31, 2003
300 Meter Hurdles 46.53 SB 4th Finals 5
200 Meter Dash 26.63 SB 3rd Finals 6

Kentucky State Track Meet >> June 04, 2004-June 05, 2004
400 Meter Dash 58.7 1st Finals 10
200 Meter Dash 25.99 SB 1st Finals 10
100 Meter Dash 12.69 SB 1st Finals 10
Long Jump 16-6.5 SB 2nd Finals NWI 8

Kentucky State Track Meet >> June 03, 2005-June 04, 2005
Triple Jump 39-0 SB 1st Finals NWI 10
200 Meter Dash 25.53 1st Finals NWI 10

Kentucky State Track Meet >> June 02, 2006-June 03, 2006
Long Jump 16-6.5 1st Finals NWI 10
Triple Jump 37-7.25 1st Finals NWI 10

Kentucky State Track Meet >> June 01, 2007-June 02, 2007
100 Meter Dash 12.32 1st Finals 0.1 10
200 Meter Dash 24.82 1st Finals 0.9 10
Long Jump 17-11.25 1st Finals 0.1 10
Triple Jump 39-3.25 1st Finals NWI 10

Kentucky State Track Meet >> May 30, 2008-May 31, 2008
Long Jump 17-10.75 1st Finals NWI 10
200 Meter Dash 26.17 3rd Finals -1.7 6
300 Meter Hurdles 45.09 PR 1st Finals 10
04/02/2013 1:33:48 PM
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Ok so going forward to answer the question as point total marks. After looking over a few individuals I would say a girl scoring 100+ points for a career at state would be top level. Now guys I would say anything over 75 to 80 is top level. Bobby Curtis scored a career total of 97.25, break down as follows FR: 4x800(.25), 1600(10),3200(10), SO 4x800(1.25),1600(10),3200(10),4x400(.75), JR 4x800(2.5), 1600(10), 800(10), SR: 4x800(2.5),1600(10),3200(10),3200(10). Girls really have it easier since some start before high school level getting points.
Ok so going forward to answer the question as point total marks. After looking over a few individuals I would say a girl scoring 100+ points for a career at state would be top level. Now guys I would say anything over 75 to 80 is top level. Bobby Curtis scored a career total of 97.25, break down as follows FR: 4x800(.25), 1600(10),3200(10), SO 4x800(1.25),1600(10),3200(10),4x400(.75), JR 4x800(2.5), 1600(10), 800(10), SR: 4x800(2.5),1600(10),3200(10),3200(10). Girls really have it easier since some start before high school level getting points.
04/02/2013 4:17:05 PM
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[b][u]RANDOM FACT ALERT!!![/u][/b] - Max Points an Individual Varsity Athlete can score in a Perfect Career is [b][u]5040[/u][/b]...10 points (1st Place) x 4 Individual Events Max Per Meet x 21 Max Meets Per Season (19 Regular Season Max + Region & State) x 6 Years Varsity Eligibility (7th Grade - 12th Grade). [b]Sharika Smith's[/b] State Points are [b]173[/b] (missing from above list is 1st in 200m 2006 & 2nd in 100m 2008)...could have been [b][u]195[/u][/b]!!!...she had two false starts in the 100m as the favorite in both 2005 & 2006, and her 4x100 Relay Team had a dropped baton in the 2005 final where they were seeded 2nd.
RANDOM FACT ALERT!!! - Max Points an Individual Varsity Athlete can score in a Perfect Career is 5040...10 points (1st Place) x 4 Individual Events Max Per Meet x 21 Max Meets Per Season (19 Regular Season Max + Region & State) x 6 Years Varsity Eligibility (7th Grade - 12th Grade).

Sharika Smith's State Points are 173 (missing from above list is 1st in 200m 2006 & 2nd in 100m 2008)...could have been 195!!!...she had two false starts in the 100m as the favorite in both 2005 & 2006, and her 4x100 Relay Team had a dropped baton in the 2005 final where they were seeded 2nd.
04/02/2013 4:30:55 PM
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I'd have to throw Adriane Diamond in there as a name....won the 400 4 times, 200 3 times so that's 70 right there, plus relays and finishing high in the 100 and 2nd I think in the 200 the year she didn't win it. She's at least in the 100 point range I would imagine.
I'd have to throw Adriane Diamond in there as a name....won the 400 4 times, 200 3 times so that's 70 right there, plus relays and finishing high in the 100 and 2nd I think in the 200 the year she didn't win it. She's at least in the 100 point range I would imagine.
04/02/2013 11:33:14 PM
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I thought it would be sprinter / jumpers How about when some of these girls were younger. I know Kaitlin Snapp started placing in state meets as a 5th grader (before the 7th grade rule) but as a distance runner she didn't win more than one or two events each year. She probably had over 100 points though.
I thought it would be sprinter / jumpers How about when some of these girls were younger. I know Kaitlin Snapp started placing in state meets as a 5th grader (before the 7th grade rule) but as a distance runner she didn't win more than one or two events each year. She probably had over 100 points though.
04/02/2013 11:36:21 PM
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Jonathon, the thought occurs to me that since you have all the meets listed on a runners page, cen you run a report for total points?
Jonathon, the thought occurs to me that since you have all the meets listed on a runners page, cen you run a report for total points?
04/03/2013 8:00:09 AM
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@ThaStallion Another point to bear in mind is that with some of the potential "competitors" for this title, they benefited from competing in 1A or 2A. Had some individuals competing in 3A, their point totals would have certainly been lower. Sharika Smith is absolutely an exception to that point, as she probably would have scored just as many points in a single class State Meet. In my opinion, that kind of thing makes her point total even more impressive!
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Another point to bear in mind is that with some of the potential "competitors" for this title, they benefited from competing in 1A or 2A. Had some individuals competing in 3A, their point totals would have certainly been lower. Sharika Smith is absolutely an exception to that point, as she probably would have scored just as many points in a single class State Meet. In my opinion, that kind of thing makes her point total even more impressive!
04/03/2013 2:20:38 PM
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I too thought of Class Size as a point limitation in many cases...I also agree that Sprint/Jump/Relay athletes have more opportunities to score...Poor Throwers :( they don't have a chance, available points limit them Big Time...it would be an interesting list, bot definitely a novelty one. Using a Scoring Table like the IAAF is the best way to compare athletes across disciplines and levels, but I also love playing with the "Compare Athletes" Function on MileSplit to see what Dream Matchups might look like if you had say a Legends Fantasy Decathlon...:)
I too thought of Class Size as a point limitation in many cases...I also agree that Sprint/Jump/Relay athletes have more opportunities to score...Poor Throwers :( they don't have a chance, available points limit them Big Time...it would be an interesting list, bot definitely a novelty one. Using a Scoring Table like the IAAF is the best way to compare athletes across disciplines and levels, but I also love playing with the "Compare Athletes" Function on MileSplit to see what Dream Matchups might look like if you had say a Legends Fantasy Decathlon...:)
04/05/2013 11:52:43 AM
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There is no doubt that the level of competition plays a part. As does the number of meets and events an athlete participates in. That's no different in any other sport. Does the 5,000 career yard rusher in football that plays for a small school deserve less recognition then the same mile stone rusher who goes to Trinity or St X? Does the 1,000 point basketball player get different recognition based on if they got their points against big schools or little schools? Is it fair that the third best runner on a team may be one of the top 5 in the state and yet they don't get to do their event at state? Some teams go to 5 meets a year, others go to 15. Of course there are differences. I think we all know that you can only truly compare athletes by putting them head to head on the same day on the same venue. That's not possible for athletes from different time frames. That being said, I would still like to see a report that shows career points for athletes both in the state meet and out of the state meet.
There is no doubt that the level of competition plays a part. As does the number of meets and events an athlete participates in. That's no different in any other sport. Does the 5,000 career yard rusher in football that plays for a small school deserve less recognition then the same mile stone rusher who goes to Trinity or St X? Does the 1,000 point basketball player get different recognition based on if they got their points against big schools or little schools? Is it fair that the third best runner on a team may be one of the top 5 in the state and yet they don't get to do their event at state? Some teams go to 5 meets a year, others go to 15.

Of course there are differences. I think we all know that you can only truly compare athletes by putting them head to head on the same day on the same venue. That's not possible for athletes from different time frames. That being said, I would still like to see a report that shows career points for athletes both in the state meet and out of the state meet.

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